As I'm nearing the end of my contract (6.5 weeks of work left, WHAT?!), I realized it's high time I do a comparison on schools in France and the States. These are not blanket statements, they are just observations based on my own personal experiences. (It should be noted that my personal experience only includes two years teaching high school French in Texas and five months kind of teaching English in France, so I'm by no means an expert.) Maybe you have had a totally different experience with French students and/or American students. That's okay. (Add a comment if you want!) Also, these are generalizations, and there are always exceptions. This is not an attempt to prove that one system is better than the other, because there are good and bad aspects of both. It's just another glance into French culture and my life this year!
In a way, this is good, because it means that school is 100% about classes and education. There’s nothing to distract from what the actual purpose of school is. (It also makes education cheaper – the States has one of most expensive education systems in terms of tax dollars per student, mostly due to technology and extracurricular activities. Here's looking at you, football in Texas.) With less money and energy spent on extracurricular activities, we could focus more on improving actual education in the States.
Students
In many ways, French students and American students are
similar. There are more motivated students, there are less motivated students. There are more and less organized students. There are well-behaved and not-so-well-behaved students. It happens everywhere. However, there are some general differences.
French students are very organized. When you walk into a class at my school, you will see a trousse (pencil pag) on each desk. It will have pens, pencils, white-out (called TippEx because of the brand), scissors, tape, glue… the works. They regularly take exercises that their teacher has printed for them, cut them out, and tape or glue them into their cahiers (notebooks). They take notes to the point of obsession. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been told “I forgot a pencil today” by an American student. (Seriously, where do they think they’re going, the zoo?! It’s school, bring a pencil for the love.)
French students are very organized. When you walk into a class at my school, you will see a trousse (pencil pag) on each desk. It will have pens, pencils, white-out (called TippEx because of the brand), scissors, tape, glue… the works. They regularly take exercises that their teacher has printed for them, cut them out, and tape or glue them into their cahiers (notebooks). They take notes to the point of obsession. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been told “I forgot a pencil today” by an American student. (Seriously, where do they think they’re going, the zoo?! It’s school, bring a pencil for the love.)
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What I find most interesting is that French students are generally much more self-driven and self-motivated than American students. I have had many students in the States (especially last year) that would not do ANYTHING unless there was a grade attached to it. Here, even though what I do isn’t graded, students are almost always driven to complete it, and most of the time to give it their best effort. They seem generally eager to please, to the point of being adorable. (I realize not all assistants have this same experience.) In the States, we reward for everything. Everyone gets a gold star! Everyone
wants a reward. Everyone wants a good grade, and if it’s not for a grade, we
don’t care. It’s not about the practice or knowledge/skills
acquired, it’s about the “what do I get” at the end. This is bad. Being intrinsically motivated makes
you successful. Reacting solely to external motivation is not good, because if
the “what do I get” isn’t easily visible (or attainable), we lose desire to
continue with our task, even though the process is equally if not more important and educational than the end result. (Of COURSE there are many American students who are self-motivated and driven; I have also had the privilege of teaching numerous students with fantastic attitudes toward education, regardless of the external reward.)
Additionally, French students generally fear discipline from their
teacher or their parents, despite the fact that discipline isn’t nearly as
serious as in the States. They have a little notebook that’s their cahier de correspondence (correspondence
notebook) that goes home to their parents and they have to get signed if they
misbehave. They don’t like when that happens. I haven’t seen a student assigned detention. I
haven’t seen a student sent to the office. Yet you threaten to tell their
teacher something or write something in their cahier de correspondence (or take
away their “going with the assistant” privileges), they generally get it
together. Quick. In the States, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve told a
student I’d a) call a parent, b) give a detention, c) call the office, d)
whatever else, and the student just flat-out does not care. I believe that discipline
goes back to the home, and that in the States many parents have the idea that
they want to befriend their children rather than parent them. This leads to nothing good. If you aren’t willing to
play hardball and reinforce the teacher’s/school's authority (i.e., give consequences at
home), you take away all authority from the teacher. Congratulations, you’ve just decreased the
quality of your student’s education. I can’t tell you how frustrating it is to
try to talk to a parent about something that happened in class only to have the
parent tell you their student could never do [whatever thing you just saw them do
with your own faithful eyes]. (I have also had tons of beautifully behaved American students and incredibly supportive American parents. I've been blessed that way. But again, these are generalizations.)
Teachers
First of all, teachers here have to pass a more difficult test (the concours) than we do in the States in
order to become teachers. (In the US, teacher certification tests are determined by each state.)
Second of all, they
don’t get to pick where they work (or go on interviews for placement like we
do). The education system is national, so you work for the Ministry of Education of the country of France, and once you're in, they can send you anywhere in France. There’s a
point system, and the more points you get, the more pull you get in your
placement. You get points by years of experience, amount of children, having a
spouse who works, years worked in a ZÉP (Zone Éducation
Prioritaire, like a low-income area school – Title 1, basically). They have
even more job security than we do,* but there’s always a chance you might get
sent somewhere you don’t really want to be (at least when you don’t have that
many points).
Additionally, full-time secondary teachers give classes for
18 hours and have 1 supplemental hour of duty a week. That’s right. 19.hour.of.work.per.week.
#?$?!%#?!?%!%%%!#?$$. (That was just an exclamation of speechlessness, not gros mots (cuss words – literally “fat words”).) The rest of the time
they can use to grade, prep, etc. So that they can actually have lives. If you’re
a teacher in the States, your jaw is dropped right now, I know. In the States,
we work “40 hours/week.” Which usually means maybe 45-50 hours/week at school,
minimum. And THEN we prep/grade. Time to move to France, mes amis professeurs?! In the States, young teachers regularly wear out and stop teaching within the first seven years of their career because it's just so time-consuming.
When a French teacher is absent for a day or two, they don't get a substitute.** They're just absent and class is cancelled. This seems like a huge issue for an American teacher, but keep reading; when you get to the "schedule" section, you'll understand what it's no big deal if there are kids with nowhere to be for an hour. A remplaçant (substitute, literally "replacement") is only called in for long-term absences.
When a French teacher is absent for a day or two, they don't get a substitute.** They're just absent and class is cancelled. This seems like a huge issue for an American teacher, but keep reading; when you get to the "schedule" section, you'll understand what it's no big deal if there are kids with nowhere to be for an hour. A remplaçant (substitute, literally "replacement") is only called in for long-term absences.
The teacher-student relationship is also different in France.
It varies, of course. I have some teachers who use the more traditional vous (formal you) to address their students, and some that use the increasingly
common tu (informal you). I have some that have the students stand upon
entering the classroom and only sit down once the teacher has greeted the class
and given them permission to sit, and some that have done away with this
tradition. However, regardless of the level of formality the teacher uses with
her students, the relationship is still more distant than that between an
American teacher and her students. On one hand, I find this beneficial as it lends itself to better behavior in general. On the other, I think that a lot of
the joy from my job would be taken away if my students didn’t tell me about the
3-pointer they scored at their basketball game, or their weekend trip for their sister’s wedding, or
come by just to ask me my opinion or advice on applying for colleges.
Administrators
Administrators are actually that - administrators - and not as much of disciplinarians as they are in the States. A good administrative team in the States will be visible in the school, walk around, observe classes, parole the hallways, etc. (Not all the time obviously, but enough so that the students and teachers are aware of their presence.) Here in France, the administrators mainly stick to the office. There is a department called la vie scolaire ("school life") that takes care of discipline issues (along with attendance, etc) before the administrators have to get involved.
Classes
In France, students stay with one group all day. They switch
rooms and teachers, but they are always with the same group of ~25-35 students
for one school year.
For their première
(junior) and terminale (senior) years,
they pick specialties (science, literature, technology, economics, marketing)
and they study with a group of students with the same specialty. They can
choose special designations (like the certification
européene) which include extra classes and tests. I think that this is a
good idea, because it creates an environment of similar-minded students and the
teacher can cater her lessons to be interesting to a particular group. Plus, it’s
known that certain specialties are more likely to continue to universities
while others will most likely be finished with their education after high
school. Again, this can help the teacher know how to tailor her class work. (It's extremely difficult in the States to teach Jimmy who doesn't even want to graduate high school, let alone go to university, in the same classroom as Johnny, who is applying to Ivy Leagues.) We have this idea in the States that everyone is the same, and it's not true. There's nothing wrong with a little differentiation.
Schedule
Classes at my school run from 8:00-6:00 Monday, Tuesday,
Thursday, and Friday, and 8:00-12:00 on Wednesday. (Some secondary schools have
classes Saturday morning, but mine does not.) Neither students nor teachers
have class all of those hours. Students may have class from 8:00-10:00 and 1:00-5:00
or maybe just 8:00-1:00. They have an hour or two spread throughout the day of off periods. This means that there are always students in the courtyards and
outside of campus just hanging out during school hours. Which at first really
made the American teacher inside me want to say “Where are you supposed to be
right now?!” … but I refrained. And now I’m used to it.
By the way, lunch is at least an hour (compared to the possible 25 minute lunches in the States), and students and teachers alike have a 15 minute break at 4:00 called la récréation, or la récré for short.
Classrooms
Teachers and students switch classrooms all the time, so teachers don't have their own classroom. You can't save all your documents on the computer, write down your objectives at the beginning of the day (French teachers don't actually have to do that anyway), hang up notes from sweet students, or decorate with Ratatouille posters. If I taught in France, I'd miss having my own classroom SO much. You have no idea how much easier that makes it. (Also, as an assistant without actual assigned classrooms, I've gotten kicked out of a classroom so many times by other teachers and had to run around to scrounge up a new one at the last minute with 4-15 French students trailing behind me like baby ducks. That's always exciting.)
Grades
Grades in France range from 0-20, 0 being exactly what you
think – the worst. Grades higher than 15 are very rare. Generally anything above 10 is considered “good,” from
what I’ve been able to tell from my students. There is no concrete “fail/pass”
line, like our 70 in high school or 60 in college. (This seems strange to me, as I feel like there should be some consequence for low grades in one area other than possibly failing a test three years down the line. However, think of the decrease in necessary parent contact if you eliminate the idea of failing a credit. Hmm.)
Structure
In France, the numbers of the “grades” start at the top and
go down (confusing). So senior year = terminale,
junior year = première (1ère),
sophomore year = seconde (2de), and
so forth. They meet up in the middle (I use that as a reference point)… sixth
grade = 6e.
École maternelle: 3-6 years old
École primaire: 6-11 years old (starting with 11e and going
to 7e)
Collège: 11-15 years old (starting with 6e and going to 3e)
Lycée: 15-18 years old (starting with 2de and ending with terminale)
BTS: (optional) This is a two-year post-high school program.
You choose a specialty, such as accounting, international business, negotiation & client relations,
etc. You can either stop after the two-year program or continue on to a
university and complete one year of studies to get the license or license
professionnelle, the standard three-year degree which is the equivalent of
our four-year Bachelor’s degree.
The Bac exam
In order to graduate high school, you must pass the Baccalauréat exam, shortened to the Bac.
Students sit for this huge exam at the end of their terminale year. It’s a national exam in every subject they study
(including sports), and their accumulative score must be a certain number (I
don’t know what it is, and I think it depends on the student’s specialization). It’s an exit exam, but an exit exam much harder than ours (well, at least more
difficult than the TAKS test). It’s not just written, but oral as well, and
not just the four core subjects. It’s a pretty big deal.
Additionally, it’s interesting to note that this test is the
only thing that determines whether or not the students pass high school. They
don’t fail classes. You could theoretically consistently get a 5 (out of 20, remember) in math
every year and still keep moving on to the next math class. There’s no “getting
credits” component of the diploma. It’s 12 years of preparing for one test that
determines everything. (No pressure!)
Speaking of "no pressure," if a student fails the Bac, he or she repeats the entire terminale year over. The whole thing. The students seem to live in fear of this their entire academic lives.
Speaking of "no pressure," if a student fails the Bac, he or she repeats the entire terminale year over. The whole thing. The students seem to live in fear of this their entire academic lives.
Extracurricular Activities
In France, there aren’t really school-sponsored extracurricular activities.
School is for class and that’s it. There are sports classes, but there are no
team sports. There are optional music classes somewhere, I think, but there is
no choir, band, theater, etc. There’s no student council, pep rallies,
musicals, or football games. They don’t have school colors or mascots. They don’t
have televised school announcements or school newspaper.
In a way, this is good, because it means that school is 100% about classes and education. There’s nothing to distract from what the actual purpose of school is. (It also makes education cheaper – the States has one of most expensive education systems in terms of tax dollars per student, mostly due to technology and extracurricular activities. Here's looking at you, football in Texas.) With less money and energy spent on extracurricular activities, we could focus more on improving actual education in the States.
However, I also see a negative side. Extracurricular
activities do help students find a way to get involved, provide them with a place
to belong, connect them to other students and teachers, promote
well-roundedness, and help students to explore and develop other interests. They also create an environment
of school spirit and a sense of unity (for those who get on board). Plus, it’s
fun (for those who are into that kind of thing).
Technology
There's just not as much in France compared with what I'm used to in the States. Of course, this varies in the States as well (thanks to educational disparity, your school might have iPads for every student or you might have one old-ish computer in each teacher's room), but the States generally have more technology present in the room. I don't know an American school that doesn't do attendance electronically, whereas here someone comes around to pick up attendance sheets every class period. Some rooms have computers, some don't. Some have projectors, some don't. Some have speakers, some don't. It's pretty much just a gamble. Add in the fact that as a teacher you're not always in the same classroom and it's pretty exciting. What will work/not work today?! Will someone have stolen the speakers for another classroom?! Always an adventure.
National System
I mentioned that France's education system is a national system. This means that the curriculum is a national curriculum; you can move from Nice to Lille or Bordeaux to Marseille and have basically the same curriculum in all your classes, making transition easier. In addition, they don't have as much educational inequality as we do in the States. Because American school districts are funded by property taxes, of course the areas with nicer houses have nicer schools. The poorer areas suffer. This isn't fair. As a developed country and a world leader, we should look around at other developed countries and be able to see that.
*Ha. If you don't know me and therefore don't know why I say "Ha," and you'd like to know, read this post which tells my personal story.
**Substitute teachers are called supply teachers in England (and probably some other Anglophone countries). Random fact of the day.
**Substitute teachers are called supply teachers in England (and probably some other Anglophone countries). Random fact of the day.
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Well, these are the basics! I wanted to preserve this all for posterity in one post rather than in several. If you have any other questions about the French education system, let me know in a comment!
Really concise! Enjoyed the breadth of detail offered in the kebab section !
ReplyDeleteJust for reference, here are the levels within primary school:
ReplyDeleteCP (cours préparatoire): 6-7 year olds
CE1 (cours élémentaire): 7-8 year olds
CE2: 8-9 year olds
CM1 (cours moyen): 9-10 year olds
CM2: 10-11 year olds
So basically, 1st through 5th grade in American terms! =D
Merci beaucoup, Annie! I love this! École primaire was such an even more foreign world to me.
DeleteI found your link to this article on the TAPIF Facebook page, and I am so grateful I did! I am an American high school teacher (teaching French) and will be doing the TAPIF program next academic year... I found your analysis of American students to be VERY true to my own experiences, so this was a super helpful article to me. Thanks for sharing it with us all!
ReplyDeleteKaty, this article is so useful and concise! I really appreciated reading it, as a future TAPIF assistant and as someone who may decide to teach French in the states one day. This is such a great blog! Thank you!
ReplyDeleteAre you hoping to stay in France permanently? I am hoping to do the TAPIF program two years from now, and I am curious as to what steps people tend to take afterwards!
ReplyDeleteI'm an American student (a Freshman) and I'm thinking about applying for a Foreign Exchange Program to France. I really loved this; it's somewhat nice to get a teacher's perspective:) it's also really cool to learn about the way the school system works over there. So, thank you, for your EXTREMELY helpful insight!!:)
ReplyDeleteI'm so glad you found it helpful! It's been a couple of years since you posted this, so I hope you got to go to France and live your own aventure!
DeleteCan't say I've had the same experiences with the students in France in the way of discipline. I've taught in the U.S. before at different levels and I am teaching Lycée in France at the moment with Tapif. I've never seen students be so disrespectful and aloof.
ReplyDeleteI'm so sorry to hear that! I'm sure it varies greatly by campus. I took a temporary job teaching classes at the lycée professionnel next door to students who hadn't been placed in a specialty due to low grades; I made it quite temporary by only lasting one class period. But my students at the lycée général were quite good; I suppose I was just lucky.
DeleteAs a French student, I can tell you this article (the way you describe French school system, the classrooms, administrators...) was quite accurate!
ReplyDeleteI chuckled when you described French students though. It's true that we're rather organised (it's not even considered organised here, having a trousse and pencils, etc, just normal!), however I can tell you that here students rarely work if there is no grade attached to it! I've been to several schools and it was always the same thing: no grade: (almost) no work. I think that's pretty much a universal thing haha.
Very good article though, enjoyed reading it! :)
This is cool...the only thing I would change is having some similarities in there as well
ReplyDeleteliked the article im a USA student and to be honest this article actually inspired me to work hard even if there is no reward and i got to say this is pretty accurate article
ReplyDeletewhat about attendance in france vs us
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed reading your article from an American perspective. I grew up in France and went to the French schools before I moved to the US and enrolled in college here. I have a daughter now going into high school in Florida. I am amazed at the high schools here compared to my very boring French high school! But as you said though, we certainly didn't have any distractions to take our mind off school work like pep rallies, football games....
ReplyDeleteOne thing though that I really like in American high schools is the lack of pressure to specialize at such a young age like I had to do. I loved foreign languages and literature so that was my specialty but I realize now the last two years of my high school experience was very narrow and could have been more balanced like the curriculum in the US. I love the fact they have electives here where kids can try anything from the arts to sports to ROTC. The choice here is amazing and the resources compared to the schools in France.
cool
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ReplyDeleteKaty,
ReplyDeleteI know I am really behind on finding this blog (while searching for a good way to explain the French system to my students) and I was struck by how similar our experiences are! I was a French teacher in Missouri (and am now) and quit my job to be an assistant in Angers, France in the same year! I really enjoyed reading your experiences in school as they are almost exactly the same as the ones I experienced. Tres drole!